RCMP Spent 20 Years Searching for a Woman Who Didn’t Exsist – A DNA Data Bank for All Missing People of Canada is Needed

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20 years ago some bones were found in a Manitoba Hay Field.  The bones were approximately 15 months old and at that time were identified as a woman so police began searching all the missing women cases. Boxes of files were accumulated over the next 20 years. In 2011 the Cold Case Detectives took another look at the evidence and decided they needed another look at the body. The remains were exhumed from the Ashern Manitoba cemetary and thanks to DNA it was discovered the bones were actually that of a man. 10 months later with the help of DNA the bones were identified as that of  20-year-old Patrick Lawrence Rosner, who was reported missing in Winnipeg in 1989. This was done by comparing the DNA of Patrick to his blood relatives and is the way that a DNA Data Bank of all the Missing People of Canada could be stored. It would mean that the family with a missing loved one would know that if a body was found on the other side of Canada it would be compared to the DNA of their loved one. The family and friends of a missing person need to find out the answers as soon as possible….

The family of Patrick have been wondering and living with the anguish of a missing loved one for over 20 years. Now at least the family knows where Patrick is and hopefully there will be some answers to the many questions that are still weighing heavy on the family and friends of the 20-year-old. Patrick was in love with a girl, had a good job and got along well with his family so everyone that knew Patrick knew he did not leave on his own accord.

Hopefully this will show the importance of a DNA Data Bank for all the missing Canadians. It is the Un-Known that is the hardest for the family and friends of someone who has disappeared.

Thinking of Patrick and his family and friends….RIP Patrick.


The Public doesn’t always find out the indentity of found Human Remains or Bodies


There have been several reports of bodies being found in BC recently. Last week a woman’s body was pulled from the Fraser River and a body was found in Powell lake.  There has been speculation that the body in Powell River is that of a business man who went missing in 1984 but I have been unable to find any information of a man from Powell River that is missing. During the course of searching however I did find a few more women of BC that have been missing, mostly Vancouver and sadly almost all are drug addicts that lived a risky life style. However all of these women have families, some even children who would like some answers. I found it very sad that these cases were so unknown and yet the families of these women are wondering and living with the unknown every day.

I have noticed over the past few years that when human remains are found  it is usually a small story in the media. If we are lucky the body will be identified within a short period of time and sometimes they will withhold the name as per the family wishes. But at least we know that these remains have been identified. I find it very frustrating when there is no more updates about the remains and the public, which includes many family and friends of missing loved ones are left in the dark, only to speculate who the body may be.

So we know that the authorities in Powell River think the body found is that of a missing business man from 1984 but that has not been confirmed that I can see in the media. Families with missing loved ones need to know that for sure the human remains and bodies have been identified.

I know I repeat myself a lot about the lack of a Missing Persons DNA Data Bank for Canada but if we had one I think the families of missing loved ones would feel a lot better knowing the DNA of their loved one can be eliminated right away. The DNA gathered for this Data Bank would be the nearest blood family members of the missing person. This is called familial DNA searching, which currently is not legal in Canada but is used in the United States and has solved many missing person cases over the years.  Canada  desperately needs to start using the great discovery of DNA to its full potential.

In the meantime family and friends with a missing loved one can only wait and see if they remains or body will be identified in the media. When you have someone you love go missing you become very aware of the bodies and remains that are found, especially if they are close to where your loved one went missing.  It would be nice to know  at least  the remains or body have been identified even if the name is not released.

Thinking of all the family and friends of missing loved who are waiting and wondering….

Missing Persons DNA Data Bank Petition on Line to show support  http://www.gopetition.com/petition/41301.html

Lindsey’s Law Page – http://www.lindseyslaw.com/howhelp.php

Human Remains found in Prince George, BC April 11, 2012 UPDATE Body has been identified as Male – Family are being notifeid – Foul Play not Suspected

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A couple walking their dog discovered human remains in a wooded area on the West Side of Prince George on Wednesday April 11. Police have not release if this is a male or female body and advise the investigation is in the beginning stages. There are several people missing from that area but in reality this could be a missing person from anywhere across Canada and it could be someone who is not even reported as missing. I hate to sound like a broker record but again a Canadian DNA Data Base for all the Missing people would make this process go much quicker.



The Importance of DNA is shown with the arrest of the Murderer of Taylor Van Deist

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The DNA that was found at the crime scene of Taylor Van Deist murder in Armstrong BC was a match for a Sexual assault that took place in 2005 in Kelowna BC, six years earlier. But the DNA of the murderer was not in the Criminal DNA Data Bank so police could only say it was the same person in both crimes but were unable to identify the person.

So how did they finally get a match without the identity of the criminal in the Criminal DNA Data Bank? It has been suggested that it was a case of partial DNA data match, which means that the criminal is related to a criminal in the DNA in Criminal Data Bank. This is called familial DNA searching, which is not legally allowed in Canada at the present moment. Now why would something like this that is so helpful to find the criminals not be allowed in Canada? Because of the privacy laws is what it boils down to!

Why is Canada not using the DNA to its full potential. Currently there is no DNA Data Bank for the many missing people of Canada. Obviously each person that is missing could have DNA on file, even if it is familial DNA .

My heart breaks for Taylor’s family and friends and cannot even begin to imagine the horror that they are living with every day, but I’m sure it is a comfort to know that the murderer has been caught.



RCMP will be holding a Press Conference regarding the Murder of Taylor Van Diest UPDATE RCMP Have charged Two Men with Taylor’s Murder

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RCMP will be releasing more details to the public on Thursday April 5 ,2012 at 1 PM regarding the investigation of the murder of 18-year-old Taylor Van Diest. Taylor was murdered on October 31, 2011 in the town of Armstrong BC. The press release will be held in Armstrong.

Police did advise several months after the murder the man who committed the murder of Taylor was also responsible for the sexual assault of an employee of an escort service in Kelowna. Police were able to confirm this by the DNA that was found at both scenes. The DNA sample is not contained in a known-offender bank but in the unsolved crimes DNA bank and that is how the match was confirmed. The sexual assault of the escort never made the news but was reported to the RCMP.

Hopefully this unsolved murder will be solved soon. I’m sure tomorrow will be a very hard day for the family and friends of Taylor…



UPDATE: Murder Charges are Laid against two men http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/05/taylor-van-diest-foerster-halloween_n_1407011.html

The Old Remains Found In Winnipeg Manitoba Shows how Important a National Missing Persons DNA Data Bank is Needed


On Saturday March 31, 2012 a man riding an ATV in the area near the Red River, Manitoba discovered a partial skeleton and phoned the RCMP. The remains are suspected to be human but more testing will needed to done. The RCMP searched the area for more evidence and then concluded their investigation but were called back after a member of the press found another bone that appears to be human. The RCMP advise they don’t even know if these two bones are related….and said they will review their files of missing persons.  According to Sgt. Line Karpish “We’re not discounting any possibility, we’re not looking at something that’s a recent death.”

It’s a very good possibility that these bones are a resident of Winnipeg but in reality they could be remains of a  missing person from anywhere in Canada. It will take months if not longer for the remains to be identified, unless the person is a criminal and has his or her DNA in the DNA Data Bank of Criminals. How ironic is that?

There are so many families throughout Canada that are constantly wondering when or if they will ever find their loved one and sadly there are over 600 unidentified remains in many Coroner’s offices across our Country.  It will be interesting to see how long the remains that were found near the Red River will take to be identified…

Canada desperately needs a  DNA Data Bank of ALL  the Missing People in Canada!


Markham Gravelle has been identifed as the body discovered in Quesnel BC



A surveyor stumbled on a body in the woods just outside the city of Quesnel on Halloween Day 2011. The body has finally been identified with DNA and Dental Records as Markham Gravelle. Apparently Markham went missing in the Summer of 2009 from Quesnel but this is the first I have heard of this missing man. The coroner says there’s no evidence of foul play in the death.

Thoughts are with the family and friends of Markham…..

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